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Strassid2
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Re: Battlefield 5: DICE responds to criticism of female soldiers in the shooter; Play should be "inclusive and diverse"

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First of all: I found the trailer to be absolute rubbish. For me, however, as already mentioned, this is due to the fact that it is simply thrown around wildly in order to get the maximum number of Battlefield moments (which you might see every couple of matches in a real game) in 2 minutes.

Do I bother female players, prostheses, war paints, etc? No piece. Battlefield (as well as CoD) was never a historically correct reproduction of the respective scenario, neither in terms of the weapons, equipment, etc. nor in terms of gameplay. It was always a team shooter who had a scenario as a framework. Was there an outcry at BF42 that every German assault soldier had a StG44? Nope. The American Wolverine was the counterpart to the Tiger and could therefore take a lot? Oh whatever! By the way, all the concept weapons in BF1, just like the fast tanks, didn't upset anyone as much as blacks in the German army.
Strange, when it comes to women and blacks, half the Internet feels upside down because of "historical inaccuracy".

Also strange: As an alternative to Battlefield, there are also games that claim to be the 1st (Verdun & Tannenberg) and 2nd World War (Red Orchestra / Rising Storm), as well as the Vietnam War (Rising Storm 2: Vietnam) if possible Accurately depict, including authentic weapons, vehicles, etc., authentic gameplay and no women where they don't belong. But when I look at the Steam player numbers you could almost think that nobody really cares about it, because otherwise those would be the absolute hits.
You could still bear the comparatively outdated graphics in this context, right?

But it's the same as always: none of this bothers too much about the Battlefield games that they don't play it after all (and if it's just a matter of lingering for months about how bad the game is). You could almost think that you just want to moan about something again, even if you are not interested in it (I can already see the average rating on Amazon at the time of the release, when all the oppressed white men there let their outrage run wild )


Senseo 1990
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Wigggenz wrote: ↑ 05/26/2018 10:29 AM Could understand the criticism if it were a shooter with the claim to represent WWII historically as accurately as possible.

But my goodness this is about Battlefield. You can really overdo it with the excitement ...
And I cannot understand this argument at all.

Ah, this is about Battlefield ... and ...?

Up until Battlefield 1, the setting in Battlefield titles was presented quite reasonably. Not only is there 100% accurate or completely Sci-Fi, there is also a lot in between. And for many, Battlefield 5 is now too much in the direction of sci-fi on this spectrum. Hence the criticism.

But okay, in Battlefield 6 then with US Marines against ninjas who go into battle on dragons. Because it's supposed to be fun and it's "just Battlefield".
AkaSuzaku
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bird.gif wrote: ↑ May 26, 2018 11:04 am It was clear that this comes as a killer argument against the criticism. I don't know anyone who mainly bothers the woman and not the whole Wannabe cool (war paint, no uniform, no helmet, etc.) - but hey "We at EA are fully open-minded and cool and anyone who claims otherwise is just a woman hating troll anyway. "
You pick a quote out of the air, which is not even implicit in the tweets and thus use a pseudo-argument yourself.

I agree with you that most of the criticism of the trailer wasn't just about this one aspect, but the producer just wants to comment on just one thing, which is completely legitimate.
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Strassid2
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Senseo1990 wrote: ↑ 05/26/2018 12:56 Up until Battlefield 1, the setting in Battlefield titles was presented quite reasonably. Not only is there 100% accurate or completely Sci-Fi, there is also a lot in between. And for many, Battlefield 5 is now too much in the direction of sci-fi on this spectrum. Hence the criticism.
Strictly speaking, it already started in BF3 or 4, when they slowly but surely stopped that the different factions had different arsenals but simply everything went out of one pool. Or that the tanks basically only had other models so that neither party felt disadvantaged. Was there actually an outcry at BF42 Secret Weapons because of the jetpack? Or an outcry at BF4 that Hangar 21 had a Titan from 2142, a Gauss rifle and even more sci-fi than the main game allowed? I don't remember. But what I can remember were the ... not quite as happy comments when you saw Hannah in a BF4 trailer. Funny isn't it?
But okay, in Battlefield 6 then with US Marines against ninjas who go into battle on dragons. Because it's supposed to be fun and it's "just Battlefield".
Hmm, there were prostheses back then, women in the armed forces, a large part of the weapons and equipment at least as projects. So understand
not where that should be too sci-fi directional. All the big upsets are actually only cosmetic things in multiplayer mode and sometimes between us: I've never looked at my buddies or opponents in shooters so closely that I noticed something like that in the game. Yes, really, I didn't notice the Black German soldiers in BF1 either.

So if you want to play your tall, male, blond, physically intact German Wehrmacht soldiers in the correct wardrobe, you can do so safely.
D_Sunshine
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Since the announcement of Battlefield 5 and the confirmation that female soldiers would be represented and playable in the shooter during World War II, comments have piled up that female characters in this scenario would appear to disturb the immersion of some players. Said players would have preferred a "realistic approach" (#NotMyBattlefield), even though, for example, more than a million German women were directly involved in World War II (see the article on Zeit Online).